New System Ranking Idea

Hi again, finally i finished the writing so I'll paste what I wrote yesterday:

Ok, first of all, what I'm posting is not a suggestion nor an asking, but a just an idea of a new and improved system ranking that would end with time-limit problems of the current system. In addition this post also contains some cool ideas to make the 'online' experience of this game funnier and more competitive.

Why 'just an idea'? Because rationally Im not hoping to see this for real some day (though emotionally I do) and finally because lets say you like this and want to do it real, it would be possible? From my ignorance as a Webmaster I'd say its impossible to do this. But I'm not a Webmastr, so I may be wrong.

Now I'll introduce to you all what I realized: Our eternal problem has been always the standards. Since Hot Air Skyway and Slide Coliseum started to be finished faster than before by 1st generation players, it looked like standards were made a bit too soon. But it was when people managed to finish Oxide Station 15 and then 20 seconds faster than normally, this way everyone could predict that standards should be changed according the new SR players were getting. Since then, every CTR player claimed standards must be changed/lowed but always with the same base system. Why?

If in this game our goal is to low our time as much as we can, why standards have a limit that everyone could reach and then beat soon or later? If we still think of change/low standards by taking a time near the WR, then take the current GOD time and fill the gap between those times, we'll have the same problem or instead will generate another ones. (Sorry for the long introduction)

What we need is a self-changer system that will be definite by just one time per track (two in fact: course and lap): the WR.

We should base standards according to the Site Records How? Like this:



This way each time a SR is beaten, all standards of that ranking will change, from new GOD until Begginer D. The new SR becoming GOD and the previous one being lowered till TA, TB, TC, etc it all depends of how low is the new SR. All standards depends of it.

A little (poor) explanation:

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1.18.48 (god) 1.18.49 - 1.18.73 (ta) 1.18.74 - 1.18.98 (tb) The current WR = The only one GOD time...

1.18.22 (god) 1.18.23 - 1.18.48 (ta) 1.18.49 - 1.18.73 (tb) A guy beat the WR, and becomes the new GOD in that chart. The last WR lows its standard as much as far is the new WR from the old one.

1.17.10 (god) 1.17.11 - 1.17.35 (ta) 1.17.36 - 1.17.61 (tb) 1.17.62 - 1.18.12 (tc) 1.18.13 - 1.18.63 (td) Another guy (or it can be the same) beat the WR again, this time, the old WR lows very much its standard because the new one its too awesome.

So standards will be separated by 25 hundreths and so on?

Not at all. It all depends of the track difficulty, something that Generation Zero did relatively perfect, calculating how many hundreths and seconds must be between each standards basing in the track difficulty. But now we can't count with tracks difficulty is still the same than 7 years before. So tracks must be debated again.

Anyway, Id took the work to make some tracks table based on tracks difficulty according to Gen 0. I omitted laps. And I added a new standard: Champion (CD, CC, CB, CA) in order to make the lowers standards (B, I) more easy to reach for no yet skilled players:

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And I took the time to make what it would be the new standards images for them:



It all looks bery goo.. wait.. so, no one will ever be a GOD in ARR!!

Don't say that, I still believe that choosen one of choosen ones will come some day. But if you want a GOD, why not take this idea and apply it to AFR? The best player of the world deserves a distinction.

Just take the number one:

1. lolimgood 2.1389 (GOD)

Give him the GOD rank and according to his score we define the rest. I'm not good at maths, so I can't calculate how to do this correctly but I'll give you a basic example:

1. lolimgood 2.1389 (GOD)
2. illbeatyasoon 3.8719 (TA) [2.1390 till 2.000 points far away]
3. whyalways3rd 3.9833 (TA)
4. crashteamlicking 7.4156 (TB) [4.1390 till 3.000 points far away]

And so on...
Every time, a player beat the best of the worl, he became the new best of the world, and will get the GOD standard just to him. As ARR charts.

So we'll have a monotheist ranking...
Yes, GOD standard its called GOD because is a GOD time. Or do you like to see 21 GOD's at ARR and like 200 GOD's at Oxide Station charts?

*Though this is only an idea, I use phrases like 'we must', 'we should', etc just by comfort. Don't take them serious... Unless you like the idea, lol.*

Ideas to make this more competitive (and funnier)

The main reason why people gets bored of this is because the only goal of players is to sub their times as much as they can. When some people realize they cannot improve or start to improve slower than before, usually get bored and leave, quit, retire, etc.

The following ideads have as goal the entertaiment of players as well give them competence more far than play the Time trial mode.


Why would you play tourneys or events if you won't win anything? Thats why implementing a points ranking system is needed for the next ideas. The idea is simple: Earn X points by Y achievements. Ie: "player21 earns 15 points by getting in the top 20 of Roo Tubes lap charts", "playergay earns 50 points by winning the league tournament", "playertroll earns 100 points by getting a WR", etc

Then would exist a Points Ranking.


Lets start by this basic and simple idea, tournaments increase the activity and competitiveness. Anyone can make any type of tournament. You can make youre own tournaments and add them the points system. (20 points for the 3rd place, 50 for the 2nd, etc) I have some in my mind but I would post 'em if enough people are agree to participate. Lets skip this.


How about include seasons? I'll explain: A season opens on January 1st. Once a season is opened any player getting any time will be getting a season time. Lets say the 5th of january playertroll got 1:18:82 in CrC, the best time since season opened, he just got the SSR (Season Site Record), he'll get X points for that, etc.

There would be a season ranking. Each week the 1st position of each chart and rankings gets X points, the 2nd Y points, etc. Each season would last, say 3 months, after that a new season would start and charts rankings, SSR's would restart from zero, but all achievements would been archived. And what happens if I want my times for normal ranking? Theres no problem, your times goes for normal ranking and season ranking too.

We would get cool things like "Master Ant was the GOD of this season", "Trololo got 14 SSR last season". And the best player of the season would get a prize or something. That way people wouldn't get frustated because not winning anything at normal ranking.


Events are unusual things that players must do to earn points and win cool trophies. Events are announced a random day and players will have X days to get what event requests. Video proof is needed in almost all events. I'll say some example and then you can fly with your imagination.

No Shortcut Event (Dragon Mines)
This time its DM's turn. Players will have X days to upload their videos getting their bets time in this track without taking SC's. The best time will earm Y points and the NoSC Trophy.

Track-Char Event (Tiger Temple)
This time its TiT's turn. Players will have X days to upload their videos getting their bets time in this track using the character that owns the track, in this case using Pura. The best time blah, blah...

Saffi Fire Event (Coco Park)
This time its CoC's turn. Players will have X days to upload their videos getting their bets time in this track with Saffi Fire, how? Use the first lap to get Saffi (you better get it as quick as you can) then do the 2nd and 3rd lap as fast as you can with Saffi. It doesn't matter the method, you have to finish the race with saffi. The best time blah, blah...

360º Event (Cortex Castle)
This time its CxC's turn. Players will have X days to upload their videos getting their bets time in this track doing a 360º in the air at least once per lap. The best time, blah blah...

Massacre Event (Tiny Arena)
This time its TyT's turn. Players will have X days to upload their videos getting their bets time in this track hitting as many CPU's as many times as they can and making the best tiem they can. The winner blah, blah...

And I have tons of events in my mind, but you can make your own events and challenge your friends.


How about unclude a Team mode to make it more cooperative? Just make you own team, recruit your friends and other people, and lets play the normal ranking, the tournaments, the season and the events... But this time, in Team mode. So there would be Team Rakings and more stuff. Remember Country World Rankings, but this time it does't matter the country, it would be like football/soccer teams/clubs. I would explain this so far if players are agree to implement this.


Just to have a track of all achievements gotten by every player, each player would have a profile where everyone could see his ranking, his times, his points, his tokens*, his gems*, his cups, his trophies, his achievements in all seasons, comments sections, etc

*tokens and gems of my yet unexplained tournament idea.

That's all I've got. though there are undetailed things that I explained as simple as I can. Thanks for your time.
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Ok, there you have, maybe you like, maybe is a shit. Its just an idea that I realized and I wanted to share it with you all. IF you have any question or whatever you wanna ask, feel free to do it.

Linkzer me recomiendas un buen programa para filmar el monitor? Asi puedo hacer mis records y subirlos aca y a youtube


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Hi LinkZer, long time we haven't talked

I totally agree with the way you talked to define standards.
About the gap between the GOD time and Titan A, i think it should be based on the SP:SR.
Something like 0.9950 and more, you are GOD. Look at the tracks to see what it makes : rarely more than 4 GODs on each track, which seems good to me

Anyway, great work ! You were quite inspired !

LinkZer, I put the link of this topic in CTR french forum, where Alpha and C68 can see see it

Hi!

You always have good ideas

I didn't read all in details, but I think to have understood enough for now.

Automatic Dynamic Ranking: If players are ok, good idea. ctr4ever 2 will open with static standards first, but why not add a dynamic algotithm after

About pictures: I appreciate your work to beutify ctr4ever!
Therefore, some remarks: not enough strong identity and logic linking them. In my opinion, we'll be lost... I think all major ranks (ex: "advanced") should have a real identity, with a little logic change, as you did with the 3 turbo.
Example: D: green potion, C: green potion with the light of the 10 apples, B: red, A: red+light.
(it's just an example)

About events, etc...
It is really a good idea, I just don't know who will implement it on the site... Wy everybody's looking at me??!! Didn't you remark I have no so much time? Well... can put it in a TODO list for the next century :p

I can see this topic, I'm the admin here, I come everyday... <_>

I can see now the relevance of having dynamics standards, while keeping the standards coherent. It is possible, so why not ? I'll do that in time.

I have many doubts about a points system (I already thought about it, then dismissed the idea), but anyway your definition of such a system is too vague, you'd have to be MUCH more precise if you want it to go somewhere. The major problem here is the lack of objectivity between what achievement you get and how much points you earn from it. I so far can't see any objective way to rate those rewards.

Then for everything else the problem is that only joora is able to work on the development of the site, and he doesn't have time.

Tournaments : nice, but few players, and especially few people willing to organise. However if someone is motivated to organise a system for that, it could be interesting.

Leagues /Seasons : another good idea, one that really deserves more thinking, because it could become an important feature of the site, rather popular.

Events : sounds the same as a tournament, not sure if people would really participate, we can always try and create a page in ctr4ever called "Tournaments and Events" which lists all current events as well as the results of the previous ones. A moderator could be in charge of updating this. If it doesn't have enough success it can be deleted for me.

Teams : yes good idea, but needs more thinking, could become quite popular.


Articles written every month about the progression of the different rankings, about the events having taken place that month : it would be a summary of all that happened, and in my opinion it could replace the points ranking : the problem with the points ranking is that it is not objective, but I understand that it is important for the players to feel that they are awarded when they do something special. So rather than create a ranking for it, we could write articles that would go on the front page of the site, and everybody would see them.
I can write that, I think, if it ever happens.

New Profile pages including all the new info + ability to write a text to present yourself.


There are a lot of good ideas, but they are just ideas. If anyone wants to go somewhere with them they need to make a complete project, and even there, who's gonna include it to the site ?

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Linkzer me recomiendas un buen programa para filmar el monitor? Asi puedo hacer mis records y subirlos aca y a youtube

Me referia a que pregunten lo que deseen sobre el post, no algo tan al azar. Te envio un MP.

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About the gap between the GOD time and Titan A, i think it should be based on the SP:SR.
Something like 0.9950 and more, you are GOD. Look at the tracks to see what it makes : rarely more than 4 GODs on each track, which seems good to me

Nice to see you again vive-crash.
The way SR:PR makes gaps between times according how much they are far from each other is totally unknow for myself (because you know, I'm bad at maths) What you state anyway, is right and could be another point of discussion. I'll think of it.

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LinkZer, I put the link of this topic in CTR french forum, where Alpha and C68 can see see it

Thanks for share.

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About pictures: I appreciate your work to beutify ctr4ever!
Therefore, some remarks: not enough strong identity and logic linking them. In my opinion, we'll be lost... I think all major ranks (ex: "advanced") should have a real identity, with a little logic change, as you did with the 3 turbo.
Example: D: green potion, C: green potion with the light of the 10 apples, B: red, A: red+light.
(it's just an example)

Yep, its something I been thinking of. However this is a beta version just to graphic the post. I could work more on this if people are ok with giving indentity to standards.

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About events, etc...
It is really a good idea, I just don't know who will implement it on the site... Wy everybody's looking at me??!! Didn't you remark I have no so much time? Well... can put it in a TODO list for the next century :p

You're the only dude I know that has this kind of knowledge to implement this (though I remark what I said in the introduction) and is taking the work of a new ctr4ever. After all, you wouldn't take ctr4ever management if you had not much time, would you? We all appreciate the time you're taking to work on the new site. But we can help you with it*

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I have many doubts about a points system (I already thought about it, then dismissed the idea), but anyway your definition of such a system is too vague, you'd have to be MUCH more precise if you want it to go somewhere. The major problem here is the lack of objectivity between what achievement you get and how much points you earn from it. I so far can't see any objective way to rate those rewards.

What are you many doubts? I think the idea is clear: People would earn X points by some achievements. Precise how many points they gonna earn by which achievement is a reason to discuss about it only IF most of you are ok with the idea. The goal of this system is easy, give more motivation to players and work with everything: ARR, AFR, SR:PR, Total Times (Tournaments, Events, Seasons, etc) Then a Points Ranking would exist:

1. trololo 4582 points (GOD)
2. lolwut 3895 points (TA)
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Then for everything else the problem is that only joora is able to work on the development of the site, and he doesn't have time.

*Yep, that's the problem, we could recruit some people that could help him with the web system.

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Articles written every month about the progression of the different rankings, about the events having taken place that month : it would be a summary of all that happened, and in my opinion it could replace the points ranking : the problem with the points ranking is that it is not objective, but I understand that it is important for the players to feel that they are awarded when they do something special. So rather than create a ranking for it, we could write articles that would go on the front page of the site, and everybody would see them.
I can write that, I think, if it ever happens.

We can add something like that too, but theres no need to change it for the system poitns if you understood my explanation.

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There are a lot of good ideas, but they are just ideas. If anyone wants to go somewhere with them they need to make a complete project, and even there, who's gonna include it to the site ?

I bring the uncomplete idea in order to see if you're interested and want to discuss about it to complete it we all. I wouldn't come with a full complete project when I know it may be forgotten soon or later... It happened before.

As you say, few people willing to organise. The CTR World's main problem is the lack of will... And lack of players...
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