A New standard for ctr4ever?

Subject: A New standard for ctr4ever? 26/9/2009, 06:22

Hi!

Ranks are sometimes bad because of new shortcuts.
0/GOD = not always hard...
and players level grew up!

So I\'d like to add :
-1/Legend (or 0/Legend and 1 for the others)

This rank is the top of the top in EACH track.
It\'s a barrier, a wall, pretty unreachable.
It con be a time that is possible but not already do by anyone.

So I need your help to decide the standards for this rank.
thanks A New standard for ctr4ever? Icon_smile

Actual standards:
http://ctr4ever.ovh.org/standards.php

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Standard to be ranked GOD
Crash Cove
1'19''50 - 25''50
Roo Tubes
1'13''00 - 23''50
Tiger Temple
1'32''00 - 30''00
Coco Park
1'16''00 - 24''50
Mystery Caves
1'55''00 - 37''50
Blizzard Bluff
1'09''00 - 22''25
Sewer Speedway
1'41''50 - 33''25
Dingo Canyon
1'25''50 - 27''50
Papu Pyramid
1'14''00 - 23''25
Dragon Mines
1'16''00 - 23''75
Polar Pass
2'00''00 - 39''00
Cortex Castle
2'04''00 - 40''00
Tiny Arena
2'59''00 - 59''00
Hot Air Skyway
2'09''50 - 33''00
N.Gin Labs
2'09''00 - 41''75
Oxide Station
2'25''00 - 47''50
Slide Coliseum
1'39''00 - 32''50
Turbo Track
1'28''00 - 28''00

and Ctr4ever records (proof or not) are:

Crash Cove - 1'18''25 - 25''07
Roo Tubes - 1'10''18 - 21''88 -
Tiger Temple - 1'28''10 - 28''10
Coco Park - 1'14''52 - 23''41
Mystery Caves - 1'51''92 - 36''40
Blizzard Bluff - 1'07''56 - 21''37
Sewer Speedway - 1'38''46 - 31''62
Dingo Canyon - 1'23''46 - 26''86
Papu Pyramid - 1'11''53 - 22''04
Dragon Mines - 1'11''88 - 22''69
Polar Pass - 1'56''68 - 37''41
Cortex Castle - 2'01''89 - 38''90
Tiny Arena - 2'55''03 - 57''27
Hot Air Skyway - 1'51''02 - 30''49
N.Gin Labs - 2'07''27 - 40''86
Oxide Station - 1'56''99 - 38''12
Slide Coliseum - 1'29''53 - 28''57
Turbo Track - 1'25''25 - 27''10

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 26/9/2009, 06:32

I say that is a great idera indeed,but,not the only.Standards in some tracks MUST be improved before coming of new standard.Do you REALLY want standards for,let's say,oxide station,look like this:
-1/Legend 1:57:00
0/god 2:24:50
That would be REALLY stupid.So,Fix standards in HAS,Slide Coliseum and Oxide Station.Otherwise,new standard would be meaningless.

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 26/9/2009, 09:25

Crash Cove 1:18:50 and 25:25
Roo Tubes 1:10:50 and 22:00
Tiger Temple 1:27:55 and 28:00 A New standard for ctr4ever? Icon_twisted

Mystery Caves 1:52:50 and 36:50
Dingo Canyon 1:23:50 and 26:80
Cortex Castle 2:02:00 and 38:90

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Guest

I remember when I said it 1 year ago... Nice, everybody didn't like it lengua

U all make me laugh!

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 26/9/2009, 09:38

V4E

If you ever thought it, you should find this great!

Now let's complete the list!

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 26/9/2009, 09:58

i think it's a good idea!! even if in this case i would be quite a newbie...XD

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 26/9/2009, 10:42

I think is a good idea.
-1/Legend cant be accesible to all, only for best players who did awesome times in tracks.
But ad Tesha said, we should change the standard in HAS, Oxide Station and Slide Coliseum, coz GOD are so easy.
GOD in Slide Coliseum can be 1'33 coz if the GOD is 1'31, we'll must change GOD in 1'58 for Polar Pass for example...
Then, I think the GODs in those 3 tracks shouldn't be too hard, for they are similar to the others GOD.
After, we can put Legend standard :

Crash Cove : 1'18"70 / 25"30
Roo Tubes : 1'10"75 / 22"30
Tiger Temple : 1'29"00 / 28"50
Coco Park : 1'14"75 / 23"80
Mystery Caves : 1'52"50 / 36"75
Blizzard Bluff : 1'08"00 / 21"80
Sewer Speedway : 1'39"00 / 32"00
Dingo Canyon : 1'24"00 / 27"00
Papu's Pyramid : 1'12"00 / 22"30
Dragons Mines : 1'13"00 / 23"00
Polar Pass : 1'57"00 / 37"75
Cortex Castle : 2'02"00 / 39"00
Tiny Arena : 2'55"50 / 57"50
Hot Air Skyway : 1'52"00 / 32"50
N.Gin Labs : 2'07"75 / 41"00
Oxide Station : 1'57"50 / 38"30
Slide Coliseum : 1'30"00 / 29"25
Turbo Track : 1'25"75 / 27"50

For me, if you sub all of those times, you are a legend.

Joora : Les records course sur crash cove, tubes roo et grotte mystere sont faux, c'est CTR-master che plu koi qui les as postés, faudrait penser à les supprimer A New standard for ctr4ever? 307452

Tell me if you think some times are not "legend" A New standard for ctr4ever? Icon_wink

Guest

Coco Park course and Oxide Station course are too easy lengua

1.14.50 coco and 1.56.75 Oxide would be better

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 26/9/2009, 10:54

V4E wrote:: Coco Park course and Oxide Station course are too easy
1.14.50 coco and 1.56.75 Oxide would be better

Coco Park 1'14"75 ok.
Oxide Station NO, coz is a too random track. 1'56"xx is easy, but I think if you sub 1'57"50 you are a legend

Guest

Ok but coco park 1.14.75 I can do it with closed eyes...
BTWrayder plz remove the last time of TJK in blizzard, it's too obvious that it's not him. Remember that me and luca have all psw of players

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 26/9/2009, 12:50

V4E wrote:: Ok but coco park 1.14.75 I can do it with closed eyes...
BTWrayder plz remove the last time of TJK in blizzard, it's too obvious that it's not him. Remember that me and luca have all psw of players

So do it.

The last time of TJK is not by him? OMG

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 26/9/2009, 16:46

You're forgettin' Arsene was decreasin' the record required for each standard accordin' to the difficulty level.

We have, for example:

GOD 1'19''50 <(25)< 1'19''75 <(25)< 1'20''00 <(25)< 1'20''25 <(25)< 1'20''50 <(50)< 1'21''00 <(50)< 1'21''50 <(50)< 1'22''00 Hero C ... etc

Now look at this:

Legend 1'18"70 <<(80)<< 1'19''50 <(25)< 1'19''75 <(25)< 1'20''00 <(25)< 1'20''25 <(25)< 1'20''50 <(50)< 1'21''00 <(50)< 1'21''50 <(50)< 1'22''00 Hero C ...

That's silly and sensationalist.

You should suggest standard(s) accordin' to a good base, not because "hey i can do easily 1:18:10 here, so that must be the legend standard". Stop to think like kids playin'.

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 26/9/2009, 17:34

Ok, dont change nothing, and continue with ancient system!

ARRRG

Do what you want, I dont care anymore !!

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 26/9/2009, 17:38

cRaSh68 wrote:: Ok, dont change nothing, and continue with ancient system!

ARRRG

Do what you want, I dont care anymore !!

Look.

That's what i say some of you act like kids. I'm just suggestin' something better to your idead. I'm agree with add new standards, but you must do some changes before to do that.

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 27/9/2009, 10:27

Yes I'm a kid.

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 27/9/2009, 11:52

LinkZer :
what you suggest is a redefinition of ALL the standards rules.
Ok, it would be great, maybe we will do it later.
FIRST, let's begin with something easy : find times for the ultimate rank.
THEN, we may change all the standards in order to give them more sense.

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 28/9/2009, 15:31

Theres no need to change ALL standards. Some tracks have good standards. Anothers, like Oxide station, need a several change, BTWrayder.

And I don't see the problem to add more than once standard if the tracks require them. Your problem is that you all wanna base the Legend standard according to the current WRs, and thats wrong.

Legend = 1:19:25

You want it harder?

SuperLegend or what else = 1:19:00

etc...

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 28/9/2009, 16:51

so you don't understand the aim of this standard.

It's not just like adding something to continue the other one.
It's THE ultimate rank, extremely hard to obtain. There should not be a superlegend rank. It's the most challenging rank, which is different from the other ranks.

That's why it's close to WRs : WRs are often close to the limit.
legend rank can be faster or slower than a WR, depending on the difficulty to do it.

Then, there may be a big gap between GOD and legend rank, and that would say we should grow up the actual standards.
Station Oxide is the best example, I know I'll lost my god times but this standard is wrong with the shortcut, so I'll not cry...

I think altough that polar pass & HAS rank are too hard from Beginner to Hero.
We should do a lot of changes.

I just want to explain that: Legend rank won't be linked to other ranks, it's a special rank (which will necessite a great video proof + link to the video in ctr4ever + special color for this rank Smile

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 28/9/2009, 18:01

What you say I can bet was said by Arsene and Kang 5 years ago about the GOD standard. Then you know the story.

We always thought we were at limit of times. With CTF, with Sam, with luca and now with qwerty.

Imagine that Legend standard was set in sambennett's era. Now we would talking about to change that standard or make a new one.

I just think two things:

-If you wanna make a kind of special standard with gold color or what else... Just give it to qwerty. (Or to each choosen one). Problem solved. When someone will finds a way to make my TA SC without STP that standard won't mean nothing, for example.

-What I suggest is follow the rule of standard separated by 25 hundreths each one (since TD, the current one). I see that way better for now and future. We can make new standards in future if we require them. And theres no need to be special ranks.

See Mario Kart pages. Theres GOD, GOD+1, GOD+2... theres even a Myth standard between Titan and GOD i think. And they havn't any problems. Why we have so many problems just because some more standards?

Finally, you all just can make what you consider better, I consider my idea as the best actually, but i can't impose it. Anyway, i will make a list of the current standards changed by me and I'll add some anothers new just like a suggestion. Wait for them between today and tomorrow.

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 29/9/2009, 08:42

My opiniion ^^ And you can put one photo for each nivel.
or one each player put the photo of country in total times and in Player List A New standard for ctr4ever? Icon_biggrin

GOD (One God is ever God)
Archangel
Legend
Ultimate
War Lock ( A New standard for ctr4ever? 307452

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Titan
Master
Hero
Guardian
Expert
Advance
Beguiner
Newbie

put more nivels, that you want ^^
don't put the times much hardest...
example:
Crash Cove to be one GOD, its just broken the 1'19"00
GOD -----------1'19"00 and 25"40
Archangel -----1'19"50 and 25"45
Legend --------1'19"75 and 25"50
Ultimate--------1'20''00 and 25"60
Titan ----------1'20"50 and 25"75
its just one opinion Very Happy

Ahh! Don't change the nivel of Blizzard Bluff !! ThisTrack is the most Hardest of Game to take GOD !!

Guest

linkzer and wrayder are right., there should be more than one standard A New standard for ctr4ever? Icon_cheers

is better for all Cool

Guest

Good luck joora... I hope u'll find time to modify everything

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 29/9/2009, 16:49

I won't add so much standards because I don't have time for that.

If someone discover and publish a new way to beat the record quite easily, standards should be updated.
But from now, this case won't be do often:
Less players, 10 years of improving... there is not a lot of SC/tech to discover and just a few people motivated to be more... so I think it's a good moment to add this legend rank...

__ 2nd point, but it's not the subject of this topic___
I don't agree with 25" between standards, it depens of the track...
HAS is COMPLETELY different from crash cove.
> HAS LAP: those who can't take the hard SCs would be newbie, but in fact you can be hero level even if you can't take the mega SC! so times have to be adapted to each level.

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 29/9/2009, 17:32

joora wrote:: I won't add so much standards because I don't have time for that.

If someone discover and publish a new way to beat the record quite easily, standards should be updated.
But from now, this case won't be do often:
Less players, 10 years of improving... there is not a lot of SC/tech to discover and just a few people motivated to be more... so I think it's a good moment to add this legend rank...

__ 2nd point, but it's not the subject of this topic___
I don't agree with 25" between standards, it depens of the track...
HAS is COMPLETELY different from crash cove.
> HAS LAP: those who can't take the hard SCs would be newbie, but in fact you can be hero level even if you can't take the mega SC! so times have to be adapted to each level.

Ok, I understand you can't do so many things alone, it would be harder. I won't insist with my suggestions.

I just leave this sayin' that you're falling again into the "ctr is dying, lets do the ultimate rules" idea. Everyone say that since 2nd generation!

And i said the 25" as an example, not a rule that we must apply to ev'ry tracks. I just didn't told it well.

Subject: Re: A New standard for ctr4ever? 30/9/2009, 15:53

who's the 2nd generation?

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